tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post115964229519084095..comments2023-10-26T05:12:19.629-07:00Comments on PonderIt: GuiltBradley Rosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06030210881782328907noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1160002414016009082006-10-04T15:53:00.000-07:002006-10-04T15:53:00.000-07:00I really liked this talk. For selfish reasons. M...I really liked this talk. For selfish reasons. My husband owns his own company, and is the ward mission leader in our ward, which is very inactive, so he doesn't have a lot of help, and a lot of people to see. This talk helped him to realize he needs to prioritze things better, and that family is first. So just in a few days we see him more, and he has talked to the bishop about getting more help, because he doesn't have enough time in his schedule to do it all.Erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11290540294131778131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159977733273426272006-10-04T09:02:00.000-07:002006-10-04T09:02:00.000-07:00I took Elder Ballard's reference to guilt in the c...I took Elder Ballard's reference to guilt in the context of not trying to throw guilt trips on others as a method of motivation to do their callings, as well as not trying to do our own guilt trips when we are doing our best to fulfill our own callings.<BR/><BR/>This sounds nice, but I am not sure that it matches scripture and church doctrine. It seems to me that the Savior employed guilt in some situations in the New Testament. And the D&C is replete with examples of it. Perhaps one could say that since our guiltless Lord is the speaker, he is in the right to employ this technique, while we, being imperfect, are not.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I buy that. Either it is a valid principle or it is not. We are all striving to become like the Lord and to follow his example, so if he used guilt as a motivator, there is no reason we should not do so. However, it would need to be realized that he employed it in pure charity. If we do use guilt as a motivator, we should stive to employ it in charity. There's a hurdle for you (or at least for me).Scott Hinrichshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11831447472339880148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159964153366744162006-10-04T05:15:00.000-07:002006-10-04T05:15:00.000-07:00I think a quote from Alma to his son Corianton abo...I think a quote from Alma to his son Corianton about not letting his sins trouble him, only with that trouble that brings him down to repentance sounds like the perfect example of having godly sorrow that causes one to change, but allowing the guilt to be swallowed up in Christ's atonement.Allyshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10638969631863483061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159883847529828562006-10-03T06:57:00.000-07:002006-10-03T06:57:00.000-07:00We all will have moments as we quietly reflect, “D...We all will have moments as we quietly reflect, “Did I do the right thing? Could I have done more or done a better job? Did I shrink from the test when it came my way?” These questions haunt each of us as we strive to do the will of our Father in Heaven, provided we are of a mind to do that which is asked to begin with. Those in leadership positions at each level need to recognize the principles taught by the Lord and those He has placed to lead this Church.T. F. Sternhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10998813855197833260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159793416314100012006-10-02T05:50:00.000-07:002006-10-02T05:50:00.000-07:00I remember reading in Melchiadek Leadership manual...I remember reading in Melchiadek Leadership manual B that the only performance evaluations done in the church are self evaluations. When we seek to evaluate the performance of others we are on shaky ground. Best not to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159746175861158502006-10-01T16:42:00.000-07:002006-10-01T16:42:00.000-07:00I agree with Dave that there is probably too much ...I agree with Dave that there is probably too much doling out of guilt in the church. But Keryn's point is well taken that the job of a prophet is to bring people to an understanding of their guilt. <BR/><BR/>I just did a search on the scriptures for <A HREF="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=guilt&do=Search" REL="nofollow">guilt</A> and it always appears (from the summaries I read which doesn't really count as good scholarship) that guilt is something we feel rather than something that is forced on us. I'm not sure if there is really a valid distinction.<BR/><BR/>Jacob, I'm with you in that this will be a favorite talk of mine, mostly for the administrative counsel if provides.Bradley Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06030210881782328907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159744493790084592006-10-01T16:14:00.000-07:002006-10-01T16:14:00.000-07:00I can't imagine Elder Ballard would take it so far...I can't imagine Elder Ballard would take it so far as saying we shouldn't feel guilt when we sin, so I interpreted his comments to mean that we shouldn't try to make other people feel guilty in order to motivate them to do what we think they should be doing. Our own feelings of guilt arising from not living up to our own sense of what we should be doing are quite another thing. I loved this talk by Elder Ballard.JandS Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05063011632012325358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6613185.post-1159726665372202142006-10-01T11:17:00.000-07:002006-10-01T11:17:00.000-07:00In the context of LDS organizational culture, I th...In the context of LDS organizational culture, I think Elder Ballard's remarks are very well taken. It's not like there are any LDS contexts I'm aware of where there's a problem with not enough guilt being dispensed. Just the opposite.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16545582642775796073noreply@blogger.com